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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2008/08/10/equity-and-school-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-6319</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where does the idea come from?  

Seriously, mneloa, from PPS&#039; own school &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/profiles/enrollment/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;enrollment profiles&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where does the idea come from?  </p>
<p>Seriously, mneloa, from PPS&#8217; own school <a href="http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/profiles/enrollment/" rel="nofollow">enrollment profiles</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: west side mom</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2008/08/10/equity-and-school-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-6273</link>
		<dc:creator>west side mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry said &quot;&lt;em&gt;school enrollments&lt;/em&gt; will probably be significantly black for the forseeable future.&quot; (emphasis added)

This is the trend, anyway, and unless PPS changes its enrollment policy, there&#039;s no reason to think it&#039;ll change... 

As neighborhoods become more integrated through gentrification (for better or worse), PPS schools become more segregated through transfers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry said &#8220;<em>school enrollments</em> will probably be significantly black for the forseeable future.&#8221; (emphasis added)</p>
<p>This is the trend, anyway, and unless PPS changes its enrollment policy, there&#8217;s no reason to think it&#8217;ll change&#8230; </p>
<p>As neighborhoods become more integrated through gentrification (for better or worse), PPS schools become more segregated through transfers.</p>
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		<title>By: mneloa</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2008/08/10/equity-and-school-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-6233</link>
		<dc:creator>mneloa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry, I&#039;ve never had a problem with the inclusion of Afrcan American history in the highschool curriculum. I have a huge problem with the powers that be deciding that this should only happen in 
&quot;certain neighborhoods&quot;. Why are we not concerned about the Lincoln and Wilson students
missing out?
  And I remind you back, Gentrification IS happening, even here. Used to be, I counted, 17 kids on the block. All &quot;of color&quot; except for mine. 
  Now there are maybe 5, in the last section 8
house left.
And, no, Unless the black middle class suddenly
takes a fancy to inner N/NE, I&#039;m not sure why you think the area would remain &quot;significantly black&quot;.
  Seriously, I would like to know where that idea comes from.

  .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry, I&#8217;ve never had a problem with the inclusion of Afrcan American history in the highschool curriculum. I have a huge problem with the powers that be deciding that this should only happen in<br />
&#8220;certain neighborhoods&#8221;. Why are we not concerned about the Lincoln and Wilson students<br />
missing out?<br />
  And I remind you back, Gentrification IS happening, even here. Used to be, I counted, 17 kids on the block. All &#8220;of color&#8221; except for mine.<br />
  Now there are maybe 5, in the last section 8<br />
house left.<br />
And, no, Unless the black middle class suddenly<br />
takes a fancy to inner N/NE, I&#8217;m not sure why you think the area would remain &#8220;significantly black&#8221;.<br />
  Seriously, I would like to know where that idea comes from.</p>
<p>  .</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2008/08/10/equity-and-school-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-6154</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hardly think, mneloa, that the offering of African American history &quot;narrows&quot; anyone&#039;s education, black or white, rich or poor.  

I&#039;m a white dude who in college was inspired by the African American history I wasn&#039;t taught in high school.  

I would argue that no one&#039;s education can be considered complete without exposure to the realities of slavery and its impact on all of American life.  Or to the multitude of  great black writers who offer a perspective that is otherwise invisible to modern white folks.

I would also remind you that in the poor schools of North and Northeast Portland, school enrollments will probably be significantly black for the forseeable future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hardly think, mneloa, that the offering of African American history &#8220;narrows&#8221; anyone&#8217;s education, black or white, rich or poor.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a white dude who in college was inspired by the African American history I wasn&#8217;t taught in high school.  </p>
<p>I would argue that no one&#8217;s education can be considered complete without exposure to the realities of slavery and its impact on all of American life.  Or to the multitude of  great black writers who offer a perspective that is otherwise invisible to modern white folks.</p>
<p>I would also remind you that in the poor schools of North and Northeast Portland, school enrollments will probably be significantly black for the forseeable future.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Rawley</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2008/08/10/equity-and-school-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-6132</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Rawley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The education at schools in non-middle class neighborhoods has been narrowed not by the Black United Front&#039;s efforts in 1980 (which actually broadened curriculum &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; made it more relevant for black students), but by the school board&#039;s student transfer  policy in combination with its school funding formula.

They&#039;ve further narrowed options with their skewed implementation of &quot;small schools&quot; in every single neighborhood high school that isn&#039;t predominantly white and middle class (while retaining comprehensive schools at Cleveland, Franklin, Grant, Lincoln and Wilson).

I haven&#039;t heard anybody on this Web site calling for narrowing curriculum in our poor and working class neighborhoods. To the contrary. 

What I want to see is access to comprehensive education in every neighborhood.

We do need enough flexibility to be able to offer culturally relevant curriculum in different neighborhoods and to serve our diverse student body, but this should in no way detract from an equitable core curriculum, available to all students in every neighborhood school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The education at schools in non-middle class neighborhoods has been narrowed not by the Black United Front&#8217;s efforts in 1980 (which actually broadened curriculum <em>and</em> made it more relevant for black students), but by the school board&#8217;s student transfer  policy in combination with its school funding formula.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve further narrowed options with their skewed implementation of &#8220;small schools&#8221; in every single neighborhood high school that isn&#8217;t predominantly white and middle class (while retaining comprehensive schools at Cleveland, Franklin, Grant, Lincoln and Wilson).</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t heard anybody on this Web site calling for narrowing curriculum in our poor and working class neighborhoods. To the contrary. </p>
<p>What I want to see is access to comprehensive education in every neighborhood.</p>
<p>We do need enough flexibility to be able to offer culturally relevant curriculum in different neighborhoods and to serve our diverse student body, but this should in no way detract from an equitable core curriculum, available to all students in every neighborhood school.</p>
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		<title>By: mneloa</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2008/08/10/equity-and-school-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-6099</link>
		<dc:creator>mneloa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bingo. To Steve  Buel&#039;s comment # 5. &quot;...and redid a lot of the curriculum to reflect African American history and to some degree I guess you could say culture.&quot;
  Well, who is moving into the area and why on earth would they want their children&#039;s education narrowed in that way.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo. To Steve  Buel&#8217;s comment # 5. &#8220;&#8230;and redid a lot of the curriculum to reflect African American history and to some degree I guess you could say culture.&#8221;<br />
  Well, who is moving into the area and why on earth would they want their children&#8217;s education narrowed in that way.?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Buel</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2008/08/10/equity-and-school-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-6088</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Buel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marian, go over to Terry Olsen&#039;s blog and look at the things I suggest to help offset the destructive elements of NCLB testing. I really think there are some pretty easy things we can do to improve (not fix) the system. We will only get it fixed by repealing NCLB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marian, go over to Terry Olsen&#8217;s blog and look at the things I suggest to help offset the destructive elements of NCLB testing. I really think there are some pretty easy things we can do to improve (not fix) the system. We will only get it fixed by repealing NCLB.</p>
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		<title>By: Marian</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2008/08/10/equity-and-school-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-6069</link>
		<dc:creator>Marian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve B., Thanks for the info on the 1980 desegregation plan. I find that approach very appealing. It would seem to me that many of us so called &quot;progressives&quot; would love to see something like this re-implemented. Having abundantly staffed schools in poorer/minority neighborhoods would be an incentive for families to stick with their neighborhood schools. Why are most families leaving their neighborhood schools? My best guest is a perception that schools in wealthier neighborhoods have more to offer. And more often than not, they do have more to offer.

But even if something like this were implemented, I see yet another equity hurdle to overcome to get people to reject transferring out of their neighborhood schools. It&#039;s the NCLB AYP scores.  The way these scores are detailed on the &quot;AYP Report&quot;, underscores any racist and classist perceptions many of us have failed to purge from our systems.  I&#039;m talking about how test scores are divided into categories of race, income status, etc. If a parent with a child approaching school age pulls up the AYP Report of his/her (poorer) neighborhood school and compares it to one in a wealthier neighborhood or a magnet school, he/she is likely to see scores that would scare most of us away. Even though some of us policy wonks understand all the problems with the NCLB testing and how unfair it is, etc., bad test scores and their association with the demographics of the school are hard to erase from your mind.  A parent new to PPS is most likely going to go with his/her first impressions.

I strongly feel something like the 1980 desegregation plan should be reimplemented and would be a good start in the right direction.  But the AYP Report and other school ratings are a huge hinderance in our work toward equity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve B., Thanks for the info on the 1980 desegregation plan. I find that approach very appealing. It would seem to me that many of us so called &#8220;progressives&#8221; would love to see something like this re-implemented. Having abundantly staffed schools in poorer/minority neighborhoods would be an incentive for families to stick with their neighborhood schools. Why are most families leaving their neighborhood schools? My best guest is a perception that schools in wealthier neighborhoods have more to offer. And more often than not, they do have more to offer.</p>
<p>But even if something like this were implemented, I see yet another equity hurdle to overcome to get people to reject transferring out of their neighborhood schools. It&#8217;s the NCLB AYP scores.  The way these scores are detailed on the &#8220;AYP Report&#8221;, underscores any racist and classist perceptions many of us have failed to purge from our systems.  I&#8217;m talking about how test scores are divided into categories of race, income status, etc. If a parent with a child approaching school age pulls up the AYP Report of his/her (poorer) neighborhood school and compares it to one in a wealthier neighborhood or a magnet school, he/she is likely to see scores that would scare most of us away. Even though some of us policy wonks understand all the problems with the NCLB testing and how unfair it is, etc., bad test scores and their association with the demographics of the school are hard to erase from your mind.  A parent new to PPS is most likely going to go with his/her first impressions.</p>
<p>I strongly feel something like the 1980 desegregation plan should be reimplemented and would be a good start in the right direction.  But the AYP Report and other school ratings are a huge hinderance in our work toward equity.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Buel</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2008/08/10/equity-and-school-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-5996</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Buel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marian, we added several FTE to every predominately African American school and redid a lot of the curriculum to reflect African American history and to some degree I guess you could say culture. 

I might point out this was done against the wishes of the superintendent and came explicitly from the board itself. So when the board talks about not being a legislative body but letting the supt. run everything (that isn&#039;t exactly how it is put, but pretty much comes out that way) it is pure hogwash. The board legally has the ability to address any of the problems facing the school district.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marian, we added several FTE to every predominately African American school and redid a lot of the curriculum to reflect African American history and to some degree I guess you could say culture. </p>
<p>I might point out this was done against the wishes of the superintendent and came explicitly from the board itself. So when the board talks about not being a legislative body but letting the supt. run everything (that isn&#8217;t exactly how it is put, but pretty much comes out that way) it is pure hogwash. The board legally has the ability to address any of the problems facing the school district.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Rawley</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2008/08/10/equity-and-school-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-5993</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Rawley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always been puzzled that PPS would put magnets in predominately white, middle class neighborhoods, e.g. Winterhaven, Buckman and Sunnyside.

Seems like if you were serious about integration, you&#039;d put the cream of the schools in your poorest neighborhoods, simultaneously increasing opportunity and investment where it&#039;s most needed and encouraging voluntary integration.

PPS has this completely backwards, with the schools offering the most opportunity located in the wealthy neighborhoods, sucking enrollment and investment out of poor neighborhoods.

What&#039;s really galling about this is that the school board completely shirks all responsibility and likes to talk about it being a &quot;Catch 22,&quot; even as they continue policies that reinforce this pattern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been puzzled that PPS would put magnets in predominately white, middle class neighborhoods, e.g. Winterhaven, Buckman and Sunnyside.</p>
<p>Seems like if you were serious about integration, you&#8217;d put the cream of the schools in your poorest neighborhoods, simultaneously increasing opportunity and investment where it&#8217;s most needed and encouraging voluntary integration.</p>
<p>PPS has this completely backwards, with the schools offering the most opportunity located in the wealthy neighborhoods, sucking enrollment and investment out of poor neighborhoods.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s really galling about this is that the school board completely shirks all responsibility and likes to talk about it being a &#8220;Catch 22,&#8221; even as they continue policies that reinforce this pattern.</p>
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