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	<title>Comments on: In the news: Madison small schools are history</title>
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		<title>By: Steve Rawley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Rawley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;...planning and implementing the change.&lt;/em&gt;

Good lord, I think I heard a rim shot when I read that. 

I know what you&#039;re talking about (consultants and &quot;planning&quot;), but in reality there appears to have been very little (if any) &lt;em&gt;actual&lt;/em&gt; planning for K8s. 

The costs continue to balloon, and we&#039;re still nowhere close to providing the level of education that is available for far less money in a middle school.

Some school board members candidly acknowledge this, but there is a sickening reticence to move toward correcting this egregious error, even as at-risk students pay the price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8230;planning and implementing the change.</em></p>
<p>Good lord, I think I heard a rim shot when I read that. </p>
<p>I know what you&#8217;re talking about (consultants and &#8220;planning&#8221;), but in reality there appears to have been very little (if any) <em>actual</em> planning for K8s. </p>
<p>The costs continue to balloon, and we&#8217;re still nowhere close to providing the level of education that is available for far less money in a middle school.</p>
<p>Some school board members candidly acknowledge this, but there is a sickening reticence to move toward correcting this egregious error, even as at-risk students pay the price.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne T.</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2009/02/12/in-the-news-madison-small-schools-are-history/comment-page-1/#comment-25278</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 04:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The K-8 reforms instituted by Vicki Phillips  lined the pockets of consultants who were paid exorbitant fees for planning and implementing the change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The K-8 reforms instituted by Vicki Phillips  lined the pockets of consultants who were paid exorbitant fees for planning and implementing the change.</p>
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		<title>By: Zarwen</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2009/02/12/in-the-news-madison-small-schools-are-history/comment-page-1/#comment-25258</link>
		<dc:creator>Zarwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann, thanks for the correction.  I hate it when I goof on dates!

&quot;Enough,&quot; do want the &quot;official&quot; reason, or the real reason?  Doug Morgan stated in a school board meeting back in 2007 that the reasons for the K-8 conversion were twofold: &quot;to reduce the district&#039;s footprint, and to do it in a way that raised achievement.&quot;  It is now two years later, and we can easily see that &quot;reducing the District&#039;s footprint&quot; was grossly ill-timed, and there is nothing supporting the belief that achievement is better at K-8s than elementary/middle schools.  (Research shows no difference.)

Susan nailed it, above: this was all about helping the builders and develoeprs in this town with their ongoing land-grab.  I ask again, whatever happened to the concept of publicly owned lands?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann, thanks for the correction.  I hate it when I goof on dates!</p>
<p>&#8220;Enough,&#8221; do want the &#8220;official&#8221; reason, or the real reason?  Doug Morgan stated in a school board meeting back in 2007 that the reasons for the K-8 conversion were twofold: &#8220;to reduce the district&#8217;s footprint, and to do it in a way that raised achievement.&#8221;  It is now two years later, and we can easily see that &#8220;reducing the District&#8217;s footprint&#8221; was grossly ill-timed, and there is nothing supporting the belief that achievement is better at K-8s than elementary/middle schools.  (Research shows no difference.)</p>
<p>Susan nailed it, above: this was all about helping the builders and develoeprs in this town with their ongoing land-grab.  I ask again, whatever happened to the concept of publicly owned lands?</p>
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		<title>By: enoughsugarcoatingalready</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2009/02/12/in-the-news-madison-small-schools-are-history/comment-page-1/#comment-25239</link>
		<dc:creator>enoughsugarcoatingalready</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never really have heard PPS reason for going back to the k-8 model..is it mainly for having less buildings to maintain and hopefully reduce transfer requests ( hoping that students will just choose to stay in those schools through 8th grade )? The whole entire PPS handling ( or mis- ) of things makes me look at it this way = you can put however many band-aids on those cuts and bruises but they won&#039;t do a thing for all the broken bones. Enough foo-foo fixes, let&#039;d get to the core.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never really have heard PPS reason for going back to the k-8 model..is it mainly for having less buildings to maintain and hopefully reduce transfer requests ( hoping that students will just choose to stay in those schools through 8th grade )? The whole entire PPS handling ( or mis- ) of things makes me look at it this way = you can put however many band-aids on those cuts and bruises but they won&#8217;t do a thing for all the broken bones. Enough foo-foo fixes, let&#8217;d get to the core.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne T.</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2009/02/12/in-the-news-madison-small-schools-are-history/comment-page-1/#comment-25187</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A small correction: Meek, along with Brooklyn Neighborhood school was closed in 2003. I was at that meeting--a repulsive display of inequity and lack of democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A small correction: Meek, along with Brooklyn Neighborhood school was closed in 2003. I was at that meeting&#8211;a repulsive display of inequity and lack of democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Zarwen</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2009/02/12/in-the-news-madison-small-schools-are-history/comment-page-1/#comment-25166</link>
		<dc:creator>Zarwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 00:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan is absolutely right.  There are 5 overcrowded schools surrounding the original RCP.  Six if you include Faubion.  While the overcrowding at Rigler, Scott and Faubion can be traced to the closure of Meek in 2001, it could still be alleviated now by reopening RCP.  I would REALLY love to hear from someone on the school board, or the superintendent, or anyone else, about how spending $9.6 million on &quot;portables&quot; is more cost-effective than reopening a building that should never have closed in the first place!  (N.B.: the &quot;portables&quot; at Laurelhurst have been there since the &#039;60&#039;s or &#039;70&#039;s--traceable to when Normandale and Kerns were closed!)

Susan is right about the developers&#039; plans too--whatever happened to the concept of publicly owned lands?  Of course, once the other schools have been rebuilt BIGGER, then it will be easy to declare RCP &quot;surplus,&quot; right along with Washington HS--remember how that worked out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan is absolutely right.  There are 5 overcrowded schools surrounding the original RCP.  Six if you include Faubion.  While the overcrowding at Rigler, Scott and Faubion can be traced to the closure of Meek in 2001, it could still be alleviated now by reopening RCP.  I would REALLY love to hear from someone on the school board, or the superintendent, or anyone else, about how spending $9.6 million on &#8220;portables&#8221; is more cost-effective than reopening a building that should never have closed in the first place!  (N.B.: the &#8220;portables&#8221; at Laurelhurst have been there since the &#8217;60&#8217;s or &#8217;70&#8217;s&#8211;traceable to when Normandale and Kerns were closed!)</p>
<p>Susan is right about the developers&#8217; plans too&#8211;whatever happened to the concept of publicly owned lands?  Of course, once the other schools have been rebuilt BIGGER, then it will be easy to declare RCP &#8220;surplus,&#8221; right along with Washington HS&#8211;remember how that worked out?</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in the day, everyone went to a K-8 school, me included.  I took Algebra I in eighth grade, Algebra II as a freshman in high school.

In short, I really liked my K-8 experience.

But then as an adult I taught 15 years in a junior high/middle school.  I enjoyed that as well, especially in the last few years, when school reform really kicked in and all students and teachers were &quot;teamed&quot; and instruction was (mostly) integrated.

So I&#039;m torn.  There&#039;s certainly an equity issue with the way PPS K-8&#039;s have unfolded.  The bottom line for me, however, is money --school funding is clearly inadequate-- and the infamous PPS transfer policy.

Deal with those and I don&#039;t think that K-8 vs. middle school is quite as big an issue.

BTW, two of my nieces attend Roseway Heights, one a first grader, the other a 4th (or 5th?) grader, and they&#039;re doing quite well, thank you very much.

Of course they have yet to reach the middle school grades.  So we&#039;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in the day, everyone went to a K-8 school, me included.  I took Algebra I in eighth grade, Algebra II as a freshman in high school.</p>
<p>In short, I really liked my K-8 experience.</p>
<p>But then as an adult I taught 15 years in a junior high/middle school.  I enjoyed that as well, especially in the last few years, when school reform really kicked in and all students and teachers were &#8220;teamed&#8221; and instruction was (mostly) integrated.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m torn.  There&#8217;s certainly an equity issue with the way PPS K-8&#8217;s have unfolded.  The bottom line for me, however, is money &#8211;school funding is clearly inadequate&#8211; and the infamous PPS transfer policy.</p>
<p>Deal with those and I don&#8217;t think that K-8 vs. middle school is quite as big an issue.</p>
<p>BTW, two of my nieces attend Roseway Heights, one a first grader, the other a 4th (or 5th?) grader, and they&#8217;re doing quite well, thank you very much.</p>
<p>Of course they have yet to reach the middle school grades.  So we&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Rawley</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2009/02/12/in-the-news-madison-small-schools-are-history/comment-page-1/#comment-24976</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Rawley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the RWH community! Thank you Mary and Susan for setting me straight (I need an editor, evidently).

The last public &quot;K8 Action Team&quot; meeting was almost a year ago. (Maybe we should call it the &quot;K8 Inaction Team?)

The school board keeps throwing more and more money at the problem (which, though substantial budget-wise, does not rise functionally above the level of a too-small Band-aid), and Ruth Adkins has spoken publicly of the need for a middle school option in every cluster.

But the administration seems too distracted by the high school system redesign and the budget crisis to follow through on the K8 disaster which has many, many poor and minority middle graders trapped in completely inadequate elementary school facilities, getting completely inadequate preparation for high school.

Surely somebody at BESC can grasp that if you lose them in middle school, it doesn&#039;t matter what your high school design looks like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the RWH community! Thank you Mary and Susan for setting me straight (I need an editor, evidently).</p>
<p>The last public &#8220;K8 Action Team&#8221; meeting was almost a year ago. (Maybe we should call it the &#8220;K8 Inaction Team?)</p>
<p>The school board keeps throwing more and more money at the problem (which, though substantial budget-wise, does not rise functionally above the level of a too-small Band-aid), and Ruth Adkins has spoken publicly of the need for a middle school option in every cluster.</p>
<p>But the administration seems too distracted by the high school system redesign and the budget crisis to follow through on the K8 disaster which has many, many poor and minority middle graders trapped in completely inadequate elementary school facilities, getting completely inadequate preparation for high school.</p>
<p>Surely somebody at BESC can grasp that if you lose them in middle school, it doesn&#8217;t matter what your high school design looks like.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Mary that the RWH families and neighboring community would not support returning Roseway Heights back to a middle school, although many staff and an administrator might have differing opinions.  Roseway has indeed benefited from moving into a building with middle-school sized gyms, fields and equipped science and computer labs, and also from bringing in family involvement and fundraising from the Rose City Park community.  I suspect the financial cost of merging these two schools has never been added up.

Re-opening Rose City Park is a whole different issue.  It&#039;s been obvious to many in the RCP neighborhood that this school was closed in order to be used as a swing school during the planned rebuilding and remodeling of Fernwood/Hollyrood and Laurelhurst, and then to be sold to the highest bidder.  Hopefully, the Rigler community will also get a new school building before RCP is sold.

What happened to the boundary changes that would have helped alleviate overcrowding at Rigler and Scott?  Was it really easier and more beneficial to send 8th graders to Madison?  It is really cheaper to spend $2 million on portables?  Is it really the best plan to move Faubion?  Are these decisions really being driven by the ultimate goal of building strong and successful school communities with rigorous curriculum or for creating real estate for the benefit of Concordia and condo developers?

And what happened to the K-8 Team?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Mary that the RWH families and neighboring community would not support returning Roseway Heights back to a middle school, although many staff and an administrator might have differing opinions.  Roseway has indeed benefited from moving into a building with middle-school sized gyms, fields and equipped science and computer labs, and also from bringing in family involvement and fundraising from the Rose City Park community.  I suspect the financial cost of merging these two schools has never been added up.</p>
<p>Re-opening Rose City Park is a whole different issue.  It&#8217;s been obvious to many in the RCP neighborhood that this school was closed in order to be used as a swing school during the planned rebuilding and remodeling of Fernwood/Hollyrood and Laurelhurst, and then to be sold to the highest bidder.  Hopefully, the Rigler community will also get a new school building before RCP is sold.</p>
<p>What happened to the boundary changes that would have helped alleviate overcrowding at Rigler and Scott?  Was it really easier and more beneficial to send 8th graders to Madison?  It is really cheaper to spend $2 million on portables?  Is it really the best plan to move Faubion?  Are these decisions really being driven by the ultimate goal of building strong and successful school communities with rigorous curriculum or for creating real estate for the benefit of Concordia and condo developers?</p>
<p>And what happened to the K-8 Team?</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes the middle school merger was a better deal for schools.  Ironically at the time we envied the schools allowed to &quot;grow organically&quot; to K-8s.  I know the district has frown on &quot;split feeder&quot; schools but perhaps a middle school option in each quadrant of the school (with no transfer lottery to get in) could have a healthy enrollment without draining students from the still-building K-8s.  Gee, its too bad the Phillips administration never actually counted the numbers and toured the buildings prior to the reconfiguration. Too bad she never rolled out a model of what a K-8 should be program and staffing-wise. Actually, we&#039;re all stil waiting on that one aren&#039;t we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes the middle school merger was a better deal for schools.  Ironically at the time we envied the schools allowed to &#8220;grow organically&#8221; to K-8s.  I know the district has frown on &#8220;split feeder&#8221; schools but perhaps a middle school option in each quadrant of the school (with no transfer lottery to get in) could have a healthy enrollment without draining students from the still-building K-8s.  Gee, its too bad the Phillips administration never actually counted the numbers and toured the buildings prior to the reconfiguration. Too bad she never rolled out a model of what a K-8 should be program and staffing-wise. Actually, we&#8217;re all stil waiting on that one aren&#8217;t we?</p>
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