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	<title>Comments on: K8 questions for Scott Bailey</title>
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		<title>By: Steve Buel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Buel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 04:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry, one way around the what do you do first inequity issue is for the school board to just direct the superintendent to achieve equity in three years. (of course it would help to have defined equity before you do the directive) 

After all, the equity issue is really a moral and fairness issue. Every student in a public school system should be treated equitably with other students -- quality of education from student to student certainly shouldn&#039;t depend on parental income as it does in PPS. 

Saying equity is necessary is similar to saying racism should not take place in the schools or we need to respect the legal rights of employees and students. These are givens in a public educational system. So, hey, EQUITY IN THREE YEARS. And that is being very understanding -- could be EQUITY NOW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry, one way around the what do you do first inequity issue is for the school board to just direct the superintendent to achieve equity in three years. (of course it would help to have defined equity before you do the directive) </p>
<p>After all, the equity issue is really a moral and fairness issue. Every student in a public school system should be treated equitably with other students &#8212; quality of education from student to student certainly shouldn&#8217;t depend on parental income as it does in PPS. </p>
<p>Saying equity is necessary is similar to saying racism should not take place in the schools or we need to respect the legal rights of employees and students. These are givens in a public educational system. So, hey, EQUITY IN THREE YEARS. And that is being very understanding &#8212; could be EQUITY NOW.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Buel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Buel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question for Scott Bailey. How come you haven&#039;t answered my email asking what resolutions you would bring on the school board to help improve things?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question for Scott Bailey. How come you haven&#8217;t answered my email asking what resolutions you would bring on the school board to help improve things?</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2009/03/06/k8-questions-for-scott-bailey/comment-page-1/#comment-26811</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love your moxie, Rita.  Now is indeed the perfect time to change the transfer system.  Actually about five years would have been a better time, but as I&#039;ve said, board members are slow learners.

Let&#039;s start by doing away with neighborhood to neighborhood school transfers.  

Are you running, or not?  If we don&#039;t sign up some more candidates real quick, this is going to be the worst school board election ever. 

I&#039;ll write you in anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love your moxie, Rita.  Now is indeed the perfect time to change the transfer system.  Actually about five years would have been a better time, but as I&#8217;ve said, board members are slow learners.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start by doing away with neighborhood to neighborhood school transfers.  </p>
<p>Are you running, or not?  If we don&#8217;t sign up some more candidates real quick, this is going to be the worst school board election ever. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll write you in anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
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		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 03:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry -

Easier?  Yes, quite.  But that still doesn&#039;t mean that flight won&#039;t happen. With &quot;good&quot; schools bursting at the seams, many families are already looking at the prospect of not getting into *any* of their transfer choices (&quot;School Chance&quot;, indeed) 

The families you would lose would be the ones who are most mobile - the ones who are also likely to be the ones who would be highly active with their schools - volunteering, fundraising, etc.  Within just a few blocks from us, I can count at least 3, if not 4 or 5 families who are already talking about having to move or opting out of public schooling if it came to that.  Several others have already voted with their feet by going to private or online schools.  Flight can happen without having to move at all.

The district has to show support behind these schools before parents will put faith into staying.  The trust will not come simply because we&#039;re forced to stay.  Even if fewer families leave, it will still put a stranglehold on the influx of new families, as neighborhood schooling will weigh on their decisions even more than before. 

Believe me, it weighed on our decision to move into the neighborhood - we chose to move here thinking “Well, the local elementary is ok, we can give it a few years and see if things can get better at the middle and high school” - what happened? They shut down both the elementary and middle school. Thanks, PPS! :p

My worst nightmare is where PPS ends transfers, sit back, and hope that will fix the problem.  All that will succeed in doing is further drive these neighborhoods down.  We have enough of a problem with other political forces conspiring to label us the &quot;poor&quot; or &quot;minority&quot; part of town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry -</p>
<p>Easier?  Yes, quite.  But that still doesn&#8217;t mean that flight won&#8217;t happen. With &#8220;good&#8221; schools bursting at the seams, many families are already looking at the prospect of not getting into *any* of their transfer choices (&#8220;School Chance&#8221;, indeed) </p>
<p>The families you would lose would be the ones who are most mobile &#8211; the ones who are also likely to be the ones who would be highly active with their schools &#8211; volunteering, fundraising, etc.  Within just a few blocks from us, I can count at least 3, if not 4 or 5 families who are already talking about having to move or opting out of public schooling if it came to that.  Several others have already voted with their feet by going to private or online schools.  Flight can happen without having to move at all.</p>
<p>The district has to show support behind these schools before parents will put faith into staying.  The trust will not come simply because we&#8217;re forced to stay.  Even if fewer families leave, it will still put a stranglehold on the influx of new families, as neighborhood schooling will weigh on their decisions even more than before. </p>
<p>Believe me, it weighed on our decision to move into the neighborhood &#8211; we chose to move here thinking “Well, the local elementary is ok, we can give it a few years and see if things can get better at the middle and high school” &#8211; what happened? They shut down both the elementary and middle school. Thanks, PPS! :p</p>
<p>My worst nightmare is where PPS ends transfers, sit back, and hope that will fix the problem.  All that will succeed in doing is further drive these neighborhoods down.  We have enough of a problem with other political forces conspiring to label us the &#8220;poor&#8221; or &#8220;minority&#8221; part of town.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Rawley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Rawley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 02:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Run Rita, run!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Run Rita, run!</p>
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		<title>By: Rita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 02:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The upside of this mortgage meltdown is that I think it nicely dismantles the District&#039;s perennial reason not to mess with the transfer policy: middle class flight from PPS.  In current market conditions, it&#039;s going to be difficult to argue that families will be packing up to leave for the suburbs. They can always go to charters or private schools, of course, but then many who can are already doing that anyway.  

So, to my mind, this is the PERFECT time to make significant changes in the transfer system.  

Never let a crisis go to waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The upside of this mortgage meltdown is that I think it nicely dismantles the District&#8217;s perennial reason not to mess with the transfer policy: middle class flight from PPS.  In current market conditions, it&#8217;s going to be difficult to argue that families will be packing up to leave for the suburbs. They can always go to charters or private schools, of course, but then many who can are already doing that anyway.  </p>
<p>So, to my mind, this is the PERFECT time to make significant changes in the transfer system.  </p>
<p>Never let a crisis go to waste.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 23:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a conundrum, this transfer issue.  What do you do first?  Improve the schools, or disallow neighborhood to neighborhood school transfers?

I will say this regarding white flight: It&#039;s a helluva lot easier to enter the transfer lottery than to sell your house and move to a new neighborhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a conundrum, this transfer issue.  What do you do first?  Improve the schools, or disallow neighborhood to neighborhood school transfers?</p>
<p>I will say this regarding white flight: It&#8217;s a helluva lot easier to enter the transfer lottery than to sell your house and move to a new neighborhood.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, big fat wallets speak pretty loudly.  Pearl District parents get their own neighborhood school and DaVinci Art Magnet Middle School families (78% white, 18% low income) get a new cutting edge green music building.  http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=123620461515219500

Low income schools get more portables to relieve the overcrowding caused by badly planned school closures.  Oh and a lottery ticket for a chance to send your kid to a good school in another part of town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, big fat wallets speak pretty loudly.  Pearl District parents get their own neighborhood school and DaVinci Art Magnet Middle School families (78% white, 18% low income) get a new cutting edge green music building.  <a href="http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=123620461515219500" rel="nofollow">http://www.portlandtribune.com.....1515219500</a></p>
<p>Low income schools get more portables to relieve the overcrowding caused by badly planned school closures.  Oh and a lottery ticket for a chance to send your kid to a good school in another part of town.</p>
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		<title>By: enoughsugarcoatingalready</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2009/03/06/k8-questions-for-scott-bailey/comment-page-1/#comment-26700</link>
		<dc:creator>enoughsugarcoatingalready</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It boils down to this hideous pattern of how PPS has chosen to adopt policies, that being catering to one type of socio-economic group and literally forgetting about another. If you wave your big, fat wallet at them, then guess what...oh, you want your child to try an environmental type school for the younger years but if, when little Timmy is ready for middle school, you want him to be able to have priority back to your neighborhood middle school?..o.k, fine! Great!     ( Sunnyside kids getting ready for 6th grade have priority transfer to Mt. Tabor, even though Sunnyside is a k-8 ). This is just one example of the many tweekings the school district has provided to those from a certain socio-economic tier. And then there&#039;s the rest of us, with only change in our pockets that just doesn&#039;t jingle loud enough I guess.
Steve, have you ever explained on this site what exactly a title VI complaint entails?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It boils down to this hideous pattern of how PPS has chosen to adopt policies, that being catering to one type of socio-economic group and literally forgetting about another. If you wave your big, fat wallet at them, then guess what&#8230;oh, you want your child to try an environmental type school for the younger years but if, when little Timmy is ready for middle school, you want him to be able to have priority back to your neighborhood middle school?..o.k, fine! Great!     ( Sunnyside kids getting ready for 6th grade have priority transfer to Mt. Tabor, even though Sunnyside is a k-8 ). This is just one example of the many tweekings the school district has provided to those from a certain socio-economic tier. And then there&#8217;s the rest of us, with only change in our pockets that just doesn&#8217;t jingle loud enough I guess.<br />
Steve, have you ever explained on this site what exactly a title VI complaint entails?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Rawley</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2009/03/06/k8-questions-for-scott-bailey/comment-page-1/#comment-26645</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Rawley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is indicative of one of the most &quot;in your face&quot; ineqtuities in the district.

We have comprehensive secondary schools in the wealthy parts of town but not rest; the likelihood of a student being assigned to a comprehensive middle or high school correlates highly to that student being white and middle class.

The two-tiered school system for grades 6-12 is probably the most likely to expose PPS to a federal Title VI complaint or lawsuit.

That said, this is just my first round of questions. If Scott is inclined to engage the community, you can be sure transfer and enrollment will be covered in due time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is indicative of one of the most &#8220;in your face&#8221; ineqtuities in the district.</p>
<p>We have comprehensive secondary schools in the wealthy parts of town but not rest; the likelihood of a student being assigned to a comprehensive middle or high school correlates highly to that student being white and middle class.</p>
<p>The two-tiered school system for grades 6-12 is probably the most likely to expose PPS to a federal Title VI complaint or lawsuit.</p>
<p>That said, this is just my first round of questions. If Scott is inclined to engage the community, you can be sure transfer and enrollment will be covered in due time.</p>
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