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	<title>Comments on: Great schools conference: sorry about small schools, let&#8217;s try merit pay</title>
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		<title>By: Steve Rawley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Rawley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zarwen, most people probably don&#039;t realize you&#039;re speaking literally when you say &quot;in bed with those people.&quot; (Not to mention, in bed -- and hot tubs -- with each other.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zarwen, most people probably don&#8217;t realize you&#8217;re speaking literally when you say &#8220;in bed with those people.&#8221; (Not to mention, in bed &#8212; and hot tubs &#8212; with each other.)</p>
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		<title>By: Zarwen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zarwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, don&#039;t you get it??? I thought everyone knew---the O doesn&#039;t criticize those people because it is in bed with those people!  But you are right about the effect on subscriptions; I cancelled mine a year ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, don&#8217;t you get it??? I thought everyone knew&#8212;the O doesn&#8217;t criticize those people because it is in bed with those people!  But you are right about the effect on subscriptions; I cancelled mine a year ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Rawley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Rawley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Betsy Hammond is paid to think about what she writes, so it&#039;s probably not fair to single her out.

The Oregonian has six full-time ed. reporters (at last count), one (Kim Melton) dedicated to PPS, and two (Betsy Hammond and Bill Graves) who write about local, state and national ed. issues.

They and their predecessors have, over the two decades I&#039;ve lived in Portland, completely missed the story of how market-oriented &quot;reforms,&quot; funded by corporate foundations, in combination with radical revenue cuts, have led to the re-segregation of our public schools, even as our neighborhoods re-integrate and gentrify.

They&#039;ve also completely missed the story of how the Portland Schools Foundation has given cover to allow wealthy, white Portlanders to privately fund &lt;em&gt;their&lt;/em&gt; public schools, while the rest of us fight over crumbs.

It&#039;s rare to see anything critical about the corporate or governmental status quo in the pages of the O, especially if it smacks of populism. It is this kind of lazy, cozy elitism that is the downfall of papers like the Oregonian, not their failure to adapt to new media (though they suck at that, too).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Betsy Hammond is paid to think about what she writes, so it&#8217;s probably not fair to single her out.</p>
<p>The Oregonian has six full-time ed. reporters (at last count), one (Kim Melton) dedicated to PPS, and two (Betsy Hammond and Bill Graves) who write about local, state and national ed. issues.</p>
<p>They and their predecessors have, over the two decades I&#8217;ve lived in Portland, completely missed the story of how market-oriented &#8220;reforms,&#8221; funded by corporate foundations, in combination with radical revenue cuts, have led to the re-segregation of our public schools, even as our neighborhoods re-integrate and gentrify.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve also completely missed the story of how the Portland Schools Foundation has given cover to allow wealthy, white Portlanders to privately fund <em>their</em> public schools, while the rest of us fight over crumbs.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s rare to see anything critical about the corporate or governmental status quo in the pages of the O, especially if it smacks of populism. It is this kind of lazy, cozy elitism that is the downfall of papers like the Oregonian, not their failure to adapt to new media (though they suck at that, too).</p>
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		<title>By: marcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Betsy Hammond really believes what she writes? I am always amazed....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Betsy Hammond really believes what she writes? I am always amazed&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder which seminars the PPS employees attended.  
Please, please, please, oh district employees, please tell me you didn&#039;t absorb the &quot;wisdom&quot; of these presentations:
 •National standards: What’s the status and next steps for Urban schools
• Broad Prize finalists: How Have They Done it?
• Successful Teacher incentive and Pay for Performance Programs in Urban Schools

But I&#039;d give major kudos to anyone attending this panel:
Improving Achievement and Closing the Achievement Gap in Academic Writing: The Story of Portland’s Grant High School
-Linda Christensen 

It&#039;s sad to see education writers duped into believing the words of Vicki/Gates; framing the $500 million the Gates Foundation will spend on teachers as &quot;pioneering,&quot; as Betsy does in her article, is head-shaking.  Money talks - and education reporters, like most other journalists, are more or less lap dogs for the big foundations.  

Maybe Bill can call up his billionaire pal Eli Broad - Eli paid for some really bogus merit-pay research conducted by Oregon&#039;s very own market fundamentalists at the Cascade Policy Institute.

For those interested in Mr. Gates and his foundation&#039;s history, there&#039;s a new website dedicated to the foundation&#039;s foray into reforming public education.  It&#039;s not fully operational yet, but it will be soon.  Check it out at: GatesEducationReport.blogspot.com

-KL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder which seminars the PPS employees attended.<br />
Please, please, please, oh district employees, please tell me you didn&#8217;t absorb the &#8220;wisdom&#8221; of these presentations:<br />
 •National standards: What’s the status and next steps for Urban schools<br />
• Broad Prize finalists: How Have They Done it?<br />
• Successful Teacher incentive and Pay for Performance Programs in Urban Schools</p>
<p>But I&#8217;d give major kudos to anyone attending this panel:<br />
Improving Achievement and Closing the Achievement Gap in Academic Writing: The Story of Portland’s Grant High School<br />
-Linda Christensen </p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad to see education writers duped into believing the words of Vicki/Gates; framing the $500 million the Gates Foundation will spend on teachers as &#8220;pioneering,&#8221; as Betsy does in her article, is head-shaking.  Money talks &#8211; and education reporters, like most other journalists, are more or less lap dogs for the big foundations.  </p>
<p>Maybe Bill can call up his billionaire pal Eli Broad &#8211; Eli paid for some really bogus merit-pay research conducted by Oregon&#8217;s very own market fundamentalists at the Cascade Policy Institute.</p>
<p>For those interested in Mr. Gates and his foundation&#8217;s history, there&#8217;s a new website dedicated to the foundation&#8217;s foray into reforming public education.  It&#8217;s not fully operational yet, but it will be soon.  Check it out at: GatesEducationReport.blogspot.com</p>
<p>-KL</p>
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		<title>By: marcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 03:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Gates should keep his mental disabilities to himself and out of the public schools. Wow! AND So sorry I missed Vicki&#039;s visit. I would have had the opportunity to thank her for the K-8 mess she dumped in our laps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Gates should keep his mental disabilities to himself and out of the public schools. Wow! AND So sorry I missed Vicki&#8217;s visit. I would have had the opportunity to thank her for the K-8 mess she dumped in our laps.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Merry Sunshine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Merry Sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MERIT PAY==== BROWN-NOSE PAY!  Kiss up, put up, do what you&#039;re told to, keep your lips zipped, and be ALL THAT THE ADMINISTRATION THINKS YOU SHOULD BE!!!  Yup, merit pay is really going to be great for teacher collaboration!  In my building, if it were up to merit pay????  I&#039;d have been making minimum wage years ago, left to the devices of some staff and our &quot;stellar&quot; administration, hahahaha!  

Uh....and how on earth do you give merit pay to those who teach special populations?  Perhaps I should open up a stem cell lab for application in my classroom, so that I may reverse congenital disabilities so that my students could meet benchmarks???

Yup, just lower all teacher pay to minimum wage (and make that FEDERAL min. wage).  Pay current salaries to the kiss-ups in each building, and we WILL FIX EVERY EDUCATION ILL!!!!!  YEEEHA!!!!  BINGO, I HAVE THE ANSWER!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MERIT PAY==== BROWN-NOSE PAY!  Kiss up, put up, do what you&#8217;re told to, keep your lips zipped, and be ALL THAT THE ADMINISTRATION THINKS YOU SHOULD BE!!!  Yup, merit pay is really going to be great for teacher collaboration!  In my building, if it were up to merit pay????  I&#8217;d have been making minimum wage years ago, left to the devices of some staff and our &#8220;stellar&#8221; administration, hahahaha!  </p>
<p>Uh&#8230;.and how on earth do you give merit pay to those who teach special populations?  Perhaps I should open up a stem cell lab for application in my classroom, so that I may reverse congenital disabilities so that my students could meet benchmarks???</p>
<p>Yup, just lower all teacher pay to minimum wage (and make that FEDERAL min. wage).  Pay current salaries to the kiss-ups in each building, and we WILL FIX EVERY EDUCATION ILL!!!!!  YEEEHA!!!!  BINGO, I HAVE THE ANSWER!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Buel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Buel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we pay teachers for &quot;performing&quot; better then we need to pay teacher&#039;s less for &quot;performing&quot; worse. Does this mean that we are satisfied with an overall performance of average when all our teachers&#039; performances are added together? If so, we need to hire more poor teachers since all of the administration and school board members would say that our teachers are in general very good. The opposite is saying they are mediocre or poor on the average. If we asked any of them in public, what do you think they would say?

Since PPS is not going to purposely hire poor teachers, then pay for performance has to cost extra money or we have to give only certain teachers raises. If it costs extra money then the money could be better spent adding offerings, activities, more librarians, counselors, arts, activities in the middle grades etc. Unless, my 42 years of experience in schools is all wrong, teachers won&#039;t do any better if they are paid more so giving some teachers more will have no real impact (on real learning).

However, if it means cutting the pay of some teachers (the  other alternative) the administrators and board members need to state this right up front. &quot;Listen, some of you teachers who are working 10 and 12 hour days are still doing a horrible job. We are not sure why, maybe you are just dumb, or maybe you aren&#039;t paying enough attention to inservices which we give you to make you better. Who knows? But anyway we are cutting your pay and giving it to those teachers who are doing ... exactly what we want ... or getting better test scores cause they are teaching more directly to the test or rigging their own classes to show unimportant gains and calling them important ... or not causing trouble (oops, we didn&#039;t mean that)...or they are in a subject which is easier to demonstrate gains. Whatever,tough sh##&quot; 

Now that&#039;s education we could all get behind and not too far removed from the other wonderful ideas that Vicki brought us -- the destruction of Benson High School, a messed up unfair transfer system which depleted offerings in neighborhood high schools, and the costly, undereducating 
k-8&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we pay teachers for &#8220;performing&#8221; better then we need to pay teacher&#8217;s less for &#8220;performing&#8221; worse. Does this mean that we are satisfied with an overall performance of average when all our teachers&#8217; performances are added together? If so, we need to hire more poor teachers since all of the administration and school board members would say that our teachers are in general very good. The opposite is saying they are mediocre or poor on the average. If we asked any of them in public, what do you think they would say?</p>
<p>Since PPS is not going to purposely hire poor teachers, then pay for performance has to cost extra money or we have to give only certain teachers raises. If it costs extra money then the money could be better spent adding offerings, activities, more librarians, counselors, arts, activities in the middle grades etc. Unless, my 42 years of experience in schools is all wrong, teachers won&#8217;t do any better if they are paid more so giving some teachers more will have no real impact (on real learning).</p>
<p>However, if it means cutting the pay of some teachers (the  other alternative) the administrators and board members need to state this right up front. &#8220;Listen, some of you teachers who are working 10 and 12 hour days are still doing a horrible job. We are not sure why, maybe you are just dumb, or maybe you aren&#8217;t paying enough attention to inservices which we give you to make you better. Who knows? But anyway we are cutting your pay and giving it to those teachers who are doing &#8230; exactly what we want &#8230; or getting better test scores cause they are teaching more directly to the test or rigging their own classes to show unimportant gains and calling them important &#8230; or not causing trouble (oops, we didn&#8217;t mean that)&#8230;or they are in a subject which is easier to demonstrate gains. Whatever,tough sh##&#8221; </p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s education we could all get behind and not too far removed from the other wonderful ideas that Vicki brought us &#8212; the destruction of Benson High School, a messed up unfair transfer system which depleted offerings in neighborhood high schools, and the costly, undereducating<br />
k-8&#8242;s.</p>
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