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	<title>Comments on: In the news: Oregonian analysis of high school future</title>
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	<description>Covering the beat of Portland Public Schools</description>
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		<title>By: Carrie Adams</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2010/01/21/in-the-news-oregonian-analysis-of-high-school-future/comment-page-1/#comment-45122</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d hate to see Portland follow Seattle&#039;s example and close schools based on Magellan and DeJong&#039;s work only to have to re-open them.  What was supposed to save Seattle $3 million ended up costing them about $48 million.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d hate to see Portland follow Seattle&#8217;s example and close schools based on Magellan and DeJong&#8217;s work only to have to re-open them.  What was supposed to save Seattle $3 million ended up costing them about $48 million.</p>
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		<title>By: Zarwen</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2010/01/21/in-the-news-oregonian-analysis-of-high-school-future/comment-page-1/#comment-45115</link>
		<dc:creator>Zarwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PPS didn&#039;t seem to have any trouble reopening RCP for the Marysville children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PPS didn&#8217;t seem to have any trouble reopening RCP for the Marysville children.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie Adams</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2010/01/21/in-the-news-oregonian-analysis-of-high-school-future/comment-page-1/#comment-45114</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know the city ordinances about reopening closed schools?  Do they have to be upgraded prior to reopening?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know the city ordinances about reopening closed schools?  Do they have to be upgraded prior to reopening?</p>
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		<title>By: Zarwen</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2010/01/21/in-the-news-oregonian-analysis-of-high-school-future/comment-page-1/#comment-45089</link>
		<dc:creator>Zarwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put, Whitebuffalo!  I have been saying this for at least a decade now, but too many of the stakeholders out there just don&#039;t want to believe it!

As far as &quot;looking for new land to buy,&quot; the first place they&#039;ll look is . . . the parks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put, Whitebuffalo!  I have been saying this for at least a decade now, but too many of the stakeholders out there just don&#8217;t want to believe it!</p>
<p>As far as &#8220;looking for new land to buy,&#8221; the first place they&#8217;ll look is . . . the parks.</p>
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		<title>By: Whiebuffalo</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2010/01/21/in-the-news-oregonian-analysis-of-high-school-future/comment-page-1/#comment-45078</link>
		<dc:creator>Whiebuffalo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rita, I worry a great deal about selling off property too.  We all know that the population in our area is supposed to explode in the coming decades.  It would be tragically wasteful to sell everything off and then have to look for new land to buy when the crush hits.  My faith in long term forecasting is not great with PPS.  You know that developers are absolutely drooling over every possible school that could close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rita, I worry a great deal about selling off property too.  We all know that the population in our area is supposed to explode in the coming decades.  It would be tragically wasteful to sell everything off and then have to look for new land to buy when the crush hits.  My faith in long term forecasting is not great with PPS.  You know that developers are absolutely drooling over every possible school that could close.</p>
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		<title>By: Rita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was involved in one of those K-8 &quot;conversations&quot; that was supposed to recommend a closure.  In the end, we didn&#039;t.  We were presented with the PSU enrollment projections and had serious questions about their reliability. Their track record over time was pretty lousy and their projections for the neighborhood in question did not match with the perceptions of people living in that neighborhood that the area was experiencing some pretty significant development and an influx of young families.  We presented anecdotal information that suggested an imminent increase in the school-age population.  That info was scoffed at, but in the end proved to be more accurate at predicting Kindergarten enrollment 2 years out than the PPS analysis.

During more recent conversations, I have questioned the new projections, noting my previous experience with them, and have been assured that the PSU group has improved their methodology.  

I remain skeptical.  Mostly because in 2005-6 the reps from the PSU group conceded that they had pretty good confidence in their projections District-wide, but that the numbers got less and less reliable as the focus narrowed.  By the time you got to projections about a particular school, their numbers were close to garbage (my words, not theirs).  Which, as the K-8 fiasco shows, is pretty accurate.  The resulting  overcrowding in many of the expanded schools required PPS spending an unbudgeted $20 million in portables to accommodate overcrowding.

The other issue that I find troubling about the current enrollment planning is that the District/Board has established a 10 year time horizon.  If we&#039;re talking about closing buildings that will be leased (the current lease for Kenton is 20 years),  or even sold, that seems like a very short timeframe.  

As far as I know, despite the economic downturn, Metro has not backed off much from its projection of a million new residents in the area over the next decade, many of them being young professionals, the prime family-starting age.  I get that predictions are a tricky business, especially when they&#039;re trying to plan for both the short-term and long-term, and I&#039;m not qualified to come up with better numbers.  But I think the lesson here is that the District needs to preserve flexibility.  

In other words, keep leases relatively short (like 10 years max) and don&#039;t sell anything.  It&#039;s the people&#039;s land.  Our forebears (who were, by the way, a lot poorer on average than we are now) spent their hard-earned $$ to invest in education. (What a concept!)  The least we can do is honor that foresight and preserve the public wealth.  We&#039;re probably going to need it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was involved in one of those K-8 &#8220;conversations&#8221; that was supposed to recommend a closure.  In the end, we didn&#8217;t.  We were presented with the PSU enrollment projections and had serious questions about their reliability. Their track record over time was pretty lousy and their projections for the neighborhood in question did not match with the perceptions of people living in that neighborhood that the area was experiencing some pretty significant development and an influx of young families.  We presented anecdotal information that suggested an imminent increase in the school-age population.  That info was scoffed at, but in the end proved to be more accurate at predicting Kindergarten enrollment 2 years out than the PPS analysis.</p>
<p>During more recent conversations, I have questioned the new projections, noting my previous experience with them, and have been assured that the PSU group has improved their methodology.  </p>
<p>I remain skeptical.  Mostly because in 2005-6 the reps from the PSU group conceded that they had pretty good confidence in their projections District-wide, but that the numbers got less and less reliable as the focus narrowed.  By the time you got to projections about a particular school, their numbers were close to garbage (my words, not theirs).  Which, as the K-8 fiasco shows, is pretty accurate.  The resulting  overcrowding in many of the expanded schools required PPS spending an unbudgeted $20 million in portables to accommodate overcrowding.</p>
<p>The other issue that I find troubling about the current enrollment planning is that the District/Board has established a 10 year time horizon.  If we&#8217;re talking about closing buildings that will be leased (the current lease for Kenton is 20 years),  or even sold, that seems like a very short timeframe.  </p>
<p>As far as I know, despite the economic downturn, Metro has not backed off much from its projection of a million new residents in the area over the next decade, many of them being young professionals, the prime family-starting age.  I get that predictions are a tricky business, especially when they&#8217;re trying to plan for both the short-term and long-term, and I&#8217;m not qualified to come up with better numbers.  But I think the lesson here is that the District needs to preserve flexibility.  </p>
<p>In other words, keep leases relatively short (like 10 years max) and don&#8217;t sell anything.  It&#8217;s the people&#8217;s land.  Our forebears (who were, by the way, a lot poorer on average than we are now) spent their hard-earned $$ to invest in education. (What a concept!)  The least we can do is honor that foresight and preserve the public wealth.  We&#8217;re probably going to need it.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie Adams</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2010/01/21/in-the-news-oregonian-analysis-of-high-school-future/comment-page-1/#comment-45023</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like a good time to revisit the history of school configurations and enrollment projections.

Enrollment projections have been all over the place.  This link provides some data and history:

  http://www.pps.k12.or.us/depts/communications/reconfig/phase2.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like a good time to revisit the history of school configurations and enrollment projections.</p>
<p>Enrollment projections have been all over the place.  This link provides some data and history:</p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.pps.k12.or.us/depts/communications/reconfig/phase2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pps.k12.or.us/depts.....hase2.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Buel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Buel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;ve already done the experiment. It proved that if you let everyone go wherever they want and not tightly control enrollment then the schools in wealthier neighborhoods will continue to get better  and the ones in less wealthy neighborhoods will continue to get worse. It has worked all across the country.

Give &#039;em hell at the board meeting, Vargasgarcia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;ve already done the experiment. It proved that if you let everyone go wherever they want and not tightly control enrollment then the schools in wealthier neighborhoods will continue to get better  and the ones in less wealthy neighborhoods will continue to get worse. It has worked all across the country.</p>
<p>Give &#8216;em hell at the board meeting, Vargasgarcia.</p>
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		<title>By: vargasgarcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>vargasgarcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes I wonder if these redesigners are here to do their post-grad social justice research. An experiment. With our children.  

The Oregonian&#039;s article today is speculative, but maybe it&#039;ll incite enough people in storming the next board meeting and demanding some transparency.  I&#039;ll be there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I wonder if these redesigners are here to do their post-grad social justice research. An experiment. With our children.  </p>
<p>The Oregonian&#8217;s article today is speculative, but maybe it&#8217;ll incite enough people in storming the next board meeting and demanding some transparency.  I&#8217;ll be there.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Buel</title>
		<link>http://ppsequity.org/2010/01/21/in-the-news-oregonian-analysis-of-high-school-future/comment-page-1/#comment-44940</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Buel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are some off the cuff takes on each school for the redesign in an effort to get the hidden agenda issues out into the open. Not that I necessarily agree with them. So if you don&#039;t often blog here, be sure to not take this too seriously. 


Marshall is in a parking lot. Way out in nowhere land. Bye. Bye.

Madison is way too big anyway. Close it. Sell it. 

Jeff. Keep it open. You have to be kidding. Whoops, some people in that neighborhood  can be pretty vocal. Maybe I will think about that. Small school maybe.

Franklin. Always liked Franklin. Too bad it is right in the middle of all those other schools. Keep it as a swing school during the renovation etc. 

Roosevelt. Heck, it is in the middle of nowhere almost, but isn&#039;t in a parking lot. Keep it for now since the people across the street are a long ways from any other school.

Benson. What difference does it make? The school board and administration has pretty much ruined it anyway. Too bad, used to be one of the top schools in the country. 

Grant. Don&#039;t worry. Close a school in the middle of Irvington and Alameda? Might as well write your political death warrant. Besides we need to put those kids from Franklin someplace. 

Wilson. Not a chance for closure. That community already took enough punishment when we closed one of its elementary schools. 

Cleveland. Nope. Gotta have it to put the Marshall kids who don&#039;t transfer out after the transfer policy is given a 10 year continuance. Well, guess technically they are transfers at Cleveland. Change name to East Moreland High and put in an AP and IB special focus option. Don&#039;t really want to  rub shoulders with people  who live east of 52nd. 

Lincoln. Close for sure. Right after they build the new Lincoln NW.

And all in the name of equity. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some off the cuff takes on each school for the redesign in an effort to get the hidden agenda issues out into the open. Not that I necessarily agree with them. So if you don&#8217;t often blog here, be sure to not take this too seriously. </p>
<p>Marshall is in a parking lot. Way out in nowhere land. Bye. Bye.</p>
<p>Madison is way too big anyway. Close it. Sell it. </p>
<p>Jeff. Keep it open. You have to be kidding. Whoops, some people in that neighborhood  can be pretty vocal. Maybe I will think about that. Small school maybe.</p>
<p>Franklin. Always liked Franklin. Too bad it is right in the middle of all those other schools. Keep it as a swing school during the renovation etc. </p>
<p>Roosevelt. Heck, it is in the middle of nowhere almost, but isn&#8217;t in a parking lot. Keep it for now since the people across the street are a long ways from any other school.</p>
<p>Benson. What difference does it make? The school board and administration has pretty much ruined it anyway. Too bad, used to be one of the top schools in the country. </p>
<p>Grant. Don&#8217;t worry. Close a school in the middle of Irvington and Alameda? Might as well write your political death warrant. Besides we need to put those kids from Franklin someplace. </p>
<p>Wilson. Not a chance for closure. That community already took enough punishment when we closed one of its elementary schools. </p>
<p>Cleveland. Nope. Gotta have it to put the Marshall kids who don&#8217;t transfer out after the transfer policy is given a 10 year continuance. Well, guess technically they are transfers at Cleveland. Change name to East Moreland High and put in an AP and IB special focus option. Don&#8217;t really want to  rub shoulders with people  who live east of 52nd. </p>
<p>Lincoln. Close for sure. Right after they build the new Lincoln NW.</p>
<p>And all in the name of equity. <img src='http://ppsequity.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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